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my name is art Hamill I've been in

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around UFO studies for a little over 50

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years so I've gone through a lot of

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things and as I've learned and we're

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speaking here from parikamma conference

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in 2014 in Kansas City and we've been

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asked to say a few words about what

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we've been doing over the last a few

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years

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and I'll start with more recent things

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first we've recently discovered some

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major pieces of UFO debris that was

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discovered in 2011 and found some more

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in 2012 it's now being analyzed for the

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second time MUFON has taken mutual UFO

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network has taken all of our pieces to

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have analyzed for the second time we've

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hadn't done the first time we answered

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elders and helped us with the money and

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now we're analyzing all the other pieces

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so I'm going to show you today some of

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the things we're working on and these

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are projects that have gone back over

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ten or twelve years or more I've been

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working this particular crash site known

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as the plan just a set of Gustin site

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since 1994 and we started finding things

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the first day we were there and I've

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been a kind of a Western historian and

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I've written several books on western

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migration and pioneers and we get a

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pretty good feel for what it shouldn't

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be at a site and what what is it should

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not be at a site so our first visit to

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this site and west central New Mexico in

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1994 told us that there was a lot of

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anomalies on the surface and we've did a

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lot of investigation to find out why

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well this is a picture of myself at the

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site in 1997 I was at the site myself

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for about eight years I

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about every other summer and it's added

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excavation and later on you'll see some

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of the things that we managed to find

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doing or digging but this one was one of

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the early excavations about of 1994 now

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stretching up to the present we are

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going to see some of the things that we

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start finding at the site this is a

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recent material which was found in

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nineteen 2011 and we've had it analyzed

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and what we found here is a very very

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hard exterior of the UFO craft we know

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its exterior craft from the UFO because

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we've had the isotope work done on it

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the laboratories have told us that

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there's no metal like this in 1947 or up

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to the present time so it's very very

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unique hard metal which we believe is

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the exterior of the UFO these are two

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photos of some material that we found at

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the site now the one I'm holding the

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upper one here is a piece of material

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two pieces which here we found and we

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found out that they go together

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that the one was on the bottom of the

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other one and then the top one is a

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honeycomb very similar to a wasp nest

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and if you cut it down you cut the wasp

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nest down get off the dirt and

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everything out of it you'll see that it

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into the hollow channels like a wasp

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embryo would use in what in a wasp nest

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well this is called a honeycomb material

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and we believe it went all the way

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across the 25-foot bottom of the craft

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and these little brown dots that you see

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below here were a integral part of the

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propulsion system and we believe that

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nullified the gravity

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we're not sure what propelled the craft

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but we do know that those little brown

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dots they were both above and below the

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honeycomb which I'll show you here and

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those bought dots were like cylinders

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like spark plugs in a cylinder they

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would fire some kind of energy back and

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forth inside the honeycomb in each

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Channel the honeycomb there may be a

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million channels on the bottom a 25-foot

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UFO and each channel was one of these

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things firing up and down both creating

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an energy that definitely contributed to

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the antigravity so this is one of the

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one of the things that we've discovered

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and our project at to this time in 2014

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we believe we the first civilians to

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find this material and analyze it and

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then publicize it most of the people

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felt that all the material that was out

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there was picked up by the army and that

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it would be anymore

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we're the first ones we think of we know

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of to find much more material this was a

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very very early Army cleanup site and

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they did a snafu here and the army was

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to ever screw up and they apparently

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covered the site with loose loose dirt

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and not knowing that and the 14 inches

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of rainfall each year would would worse

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way the dirt in several years so we

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found much of our debris on the surface

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of the of the place where we're working

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this at the site back to the early

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history of the UFOs in my life

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I started the project getting interested

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in UFOs right after I got all the Navy

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about 1954 I read several books and I

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realized that there was a lot more out

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there than that I was aware of as a

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young a young man a teenager earlier on

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and I got out of the Navy when I was 22

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and we never really quite found a

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religion that we liked and I thought

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sort of thought of it being interested

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in UFOs if I doubt what people who were

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mother plant if we ever found out what

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they worshiped I didn't find anything

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here the particular turned me on a way

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of worship I was looking for

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to worship I understand I was looking

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for some things that made sense what I

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said seen out there didn't make a lot of

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sense intellectually to me so it was I

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didn't go come into the UFO study with

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any baggage to speak of I didn't have

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any any prejudice to overcome anything

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like that so everything I learned was

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was was new and and generally exciting

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so we started doing some reading sort of

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corresponding with some people involved

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with UFOs we started a national

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investigations committee for aerial

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phenomena group in the Kansas City area

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in 1957 and we were lucky to be a pictus

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chairman of that group and then we had

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the a very strange incident the famous

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UFO contactee person who claimed that

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he'd been on the spaceship and taken to

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Mars and Venus and all kinds of things

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came to Kansas City and we gave a talk

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to a UFO study club I had been

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affiliated with them however I wasn't at

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that particular time but he essentially

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went to Davenport Island who never

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talked and when he came back here on the

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train he said well I've been picked up

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by the aliens

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he called his face people in the Kansas

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City train yard and they took me to

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Davenport I thought well that's a nice

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way to get to Davenport it's a long

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train ride so I let major Keyhoe know it

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in Washington DC he was in charge of my

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cab and he wanted a know if I would like

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to investigate it that's why I'm here at

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your disposal so he sent me a badge

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actually a badge that little black case

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or the whole thing and he said this will

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get you in to see the railroad

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detectives and I thought why don't want

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to go see the detective you know he said

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we wanted to start with the people who

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are in charge and then we'll take this

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give you names of people who who you go

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to but you need to get the okay people

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at the top okay first you said we spent

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our experience

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that you don't start with the people who

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had the sightings or had the affairs you

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start with their superiors they bring

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them on board a year ago so it was a

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great great advice we went down to see

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the rail detective in attendance of the

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train yard and he gave us the name of

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the conductor the the the engineer the

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fireman and a brakeman or two on this

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plane called train called Rock Island

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508 from Davenport the train went right

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on up to Minneapolis then there was a

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site the car that went over toward

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Davenport was about another hour and a

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half away in any case he came back and

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told the story and then told the UFO

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study club the story and I have a

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transcript from the from the meeting in

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1957 telling about his trip in a UFO and

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and he was the guy telling it is the

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fellow who was an president of our club

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at that time so we investigated it and

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found out that the train had stopped

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very briefly maybe two or three seconds

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and a railroad crossing were to trek

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across it's the law and right near there

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is a tower and then they witnessed the

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whole thing

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so the train didn't stop more than two

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or three seconds before proceeded on the

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508 that had to head to Davenport and

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dadsy claimed that the train stopped he

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got out and walk around and down the

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gravel will see this scenery and so what

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we just got all the trade to Kansas City

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ten minutes earlier why would he want to

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walk around and look at scenery you know

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so he said some guy approached him

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normal-looking guy approached him and

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said would you come with me mister danke

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he said well what about my luggage they

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said well I'll pick it up for you so he

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reads the guys claimed he reached in the

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train got the luggage and those days you

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couldn't reach luggage from the outside

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because of the great big steel door came

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down it was actually covered the steps

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sort of I would fall off no that's

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called the vestibule well the guy

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restating got these today is the luggage

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which apparently had been put up yet and

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it took it took him too

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a wooded area they drove a little while

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they went to another wooded area and and

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South the UFO was waiting for them and

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so he said said while he was on his way

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to Davenport they took a side trip to

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Venus and back and I'm in story gets a

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little heavier as she keeps going and a

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lot of foolish people will still go

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uh-huh uh-huh

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he's telling this story for people who

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are global and I'm afraid I wasn't in

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that crowd I wasn't go we'll all about

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what he was saying well we think he

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probably is telling this story because

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he's only way to England and that summer

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this was made for me and oftentimes the

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contactee person has to have a phony

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story to get more attention they can't

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keep telling the old story you don't get

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wine and dine on one story you got to

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have a new one so it was his new one

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well he picked the wrong place to have

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it was new experience at Kansas City

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when we just started nycap Affiliate and

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major Keyhoe told me later is it boy

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said he could have picked any word the

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country but your place we investigated

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and found it to be totally false totally

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false got ahold went down to Trenton

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Missouri which is down south of here and

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to you know hold the conductor well we

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got hold of brakeman lived in Kansas

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City have statements from all of them

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all of them corroborate that

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one they don't remember him even being

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on the train and to Train didn't stop

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long enough for anybody to get off and

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so that was essentially the story I got

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my start investigation with the UFO

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people and this was written up in the

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night cap magazine later that year and

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we called the story of Georgia dancing

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into Rock Island five away and that was

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our first experience and we started a

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long four years old and I moved to

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Colorado after 1960 and I was a coach

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football coach and we stayed in small

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schools except for a few years for

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almost 30 years

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and in small towns you don't have a lot

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of interest in UFOs

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there's nothing many people who have

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read much about it they don't have any

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news about it they don't sell books

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there in the town so we couldn't really

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start any UFO discussions or groups and

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those in those early years we just had

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to just learn those the guys don't get

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get our teaching career with oh I I

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worked about 1959 worked from 59 to 89

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30 years and so we got back into the

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UFOs about 1990 and mr. Friedman Stanton

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Friedman was the one who told me about

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the rancher that had a gap in his

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sagebrush and they could never figure

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out what it was nothing would grow there

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by the way and there wasn't any trench

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well they couldn't figure out what this

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gap was doing in the sagebrush well it

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turns out that the UFO had crashed in

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there and gone through the sagebrush and

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taken out a swath of sagebrush maybe 100

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feet long and all 2530 feet wide we were

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able to determine that the material we

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found in there couldn't have washed in

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that there was a slight rise in the what

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into the other which means that material

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couldn't wash up hill we found a lots of

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tin hand and discarded material earthly

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stuff but underneath it was what the

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material from the UFO could have been

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hidden in a better place it wasn't

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deliberate I don't think the army was

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that smart they brought in some sand to

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fill in the trench in the sand was

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debris and over the years the debris the

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sand washed away from the debris leaving

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the flat surface with tin cans sitting

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on it who would think to look under tin

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cans for a UFO debris I don't think they

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were smart and figured out they sure

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worked out that well and of course you

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could view a lot of tin hands you can't

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use a metal detector

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so our first few years we didn't use

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metal detectors at all this is our eye

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beam that we found in 2012 and I mean

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they're especially sacred in UFO

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debris because the the original report

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by a Jesse Marcel talks about an i-beam

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and people were and symbols on it and

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all kind of things are this huge it's

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about

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and a half high and how would think that

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I mean works is that it sits on the top

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of some other material including the

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honeycomb we discussed earlier and a

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plate underneath it and a plate under

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the honeycomb and the i-beam we think

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goes all the way across a basket weave

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of I beams goes all the way across the

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bottom of the UFO and attached to the

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bottom of the basket of ligh beams is

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the the light material and a heavy

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material and so you see the I mean light

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material heavy material and we've

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written a book and that it's pretty well

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explained in there but this was one of

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our bigger finds was was this i-beam one

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of our nice lines was this particular

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piece of the exterior of the craft it is

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very hard

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we had great no difficulty getting

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through it we had to get to use the

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Dremel machine to get some samples off

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instead of the lab and it we broke three

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discs and almost wrote the demo it was

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so difficult extremely hard material

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we're pretty sure this is the part of

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the exterior of the UFO they found this

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in 2011 one of the things I wanted to

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mention was that we had almost 26 people

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involved in the later investigation of

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the crash of the plane of San Agustin we

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had one group that had 15 people of

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seven metal detectors they found a huge

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amount of material and prior to that

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they had analyzed our material mr. John

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Rao of the open minds organization had

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put up the money to analyze our material

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we had found earlier up through 2010 and

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we found the material to have isotopic

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ratios that were not known any metal on

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earth now this is just ordinary foil I

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thought it was just something for

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barbecue or something but the period the

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vocals didn't use foil at all until the

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mid fifties when they had enough power

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to use a freezer so we had the first

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things we first started with flat file

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foil we

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the shoe sole we found other things but

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one of the things we found was the foil

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well we hadn't analyzed and found out

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there was floor was coated with very

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very exotic coatings of various elements

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and we have 15 pieces of that foil five

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of which have been to the bends of

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analysis scientific analysis Ted we're

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still waiting to do I have five more

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pieces that a friend of mine has done

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five or six pieces down into the gallons

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of Mexico well we put it put all US

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material together I was but here we

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weren't worked on is a in the last

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fifteen twelve years is this book and we

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originally called it the UFO crash in

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San Agustin well when we're sure we had

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found the material and we changed it to

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finding the UFO crash in San Agustin so

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we took everything we knew about the

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crash all the materials are analyzed and

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scientific material has gone out of

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various laboratories we had a mr. Steve

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Coburn who was a materials analyst from

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a lateral to review at UCLA in 1992 mr.

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Coburn was the first one one of the

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first ones to analyze our material he

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sends it off to those labs and every

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time we sent a piece of material off to

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be analyzed it's $500 so we learned

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early on not to mention we were to doing

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UFO research we found out from some

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other projects that we'll be saying we

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do UFO research they had you send you

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back your check if they forget it so we

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found that we just say we want the

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research done and then here's here's

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your check to do it from well mr. Coburn

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worked for a lab that was well known so

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he would send his material in with that

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to be analyzed and he'd give his

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bookkeeper for $500 it worked out fine

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they didn't know they were analyzing UFO

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material and we don't she hasn't getting

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compensated but they just thought it was

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something out of an industrial metallic

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scrap pile they know what it was

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and it did here so that's one of the

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things that one of the interesting

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things about about this was that we had

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to keep quiet about the about the

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analysis we started a website about five

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or six years ago and you can get to it

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today this is 2014 but by going to a ww

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UFO crash book one word.com so it you

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can find out about the project and you

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can see that each G the sixteen chapters

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in the book and it goes almost 90